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Message 2329 - Posted: 1 Dec 2013, 23:38:54 UTC
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I've made a bunch of updates to the new interface:

1. I've added a bunch of tooltips for the various buttons which I'm hoping will help people use the new interface better. We're also in the process of updating the instructions (that you can click on on the top of the page) to be more detailed. Let me know how the tooltips are working and if there are any other changes you'd like for that.

2. We've added various animal tags for the predator and non-predator animal tags.

3. Any changes you make to an event are automatically updated in the database -- you don't need to click the update button anymore, and the update button has been removed.

4. When clicking on the time text areas, the behavior used to be that it would automatically update to the current time. This can be annoying if you want to change the time already in there (as it would be updated to the current time in the video). Now, if there is no time entered it will update to the current time in the video, otherwise it will let you edit the time already entered.

Still to do:

1. Get the discuss event button working (it's the blue comment button on the side).
2. Add a button to specify difficulty of watching the video (I think we'll just have this default to easy and let you change it otherwise). Should this be on a per-event basis or for the entire video?
3. Add buttons to either view the next video in time at the nest, or a random new video.
4. Get the validator working for the new interface.

Let me know if you have any other suggestions or problems with the new interface! And here's the link to test it out again:

http://volunteer.cs.und.edu/wildlife/watch2.php?species=1&location=1

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Message 2331 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 1:00:50 UTC - in response to Message 2329.

1. The tooltip for the Next Video button is still referencing the Update button you've just removed.

2. There's a ? button in the lower right corner of the site. I couldn't find out what it's good for.

3. When a parent leaves the nest it usually stands up and simply walks away. Am I correct that you don't want us to mark this as 3 events

    Parent behaviour - Standing
    Parent behaviour - Walking
    Parent behaviour - Not on Video

but as just one event

    Parent behaviour - Not on Video ?



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Message 2332 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 1:21:48 UTC - in response to Message 2331.

1. The tooltip for the Next Video button is still referencing the Update button you've just removed.


Fixed.

2. There's a ? button in the lower right corner of the site. I couldn't find out what it's good for.


I'm updating the instructions right now. Instead of it taking up a bar across the top of the screen that expands clicking on that icon will bring down a modal (like what happens when you submit on the old interface page) with all the instructions. Should clean up the interface a bit.

3. When a parent leaves the nest it usually stands up and simply walks away. Am I correct that you don't want us to mark this as 3 events
    Parent behaviour - Standing
    Parent behaviour - Walking
    Parent behaviour - Not on Video

but as just one event

    Parent behaviour - Not on Video ?




It would be great if you could mark the second or so of it walking off the nest (you probably don't need to do a standing before that, I'd only do that if it actually stands there for any bit of time).

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Message 2333 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 3:29:45 UTC - in response to Message 2329.
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1. The ? button has no tooltip. After clicking it, the modal has no apparent way of closing! Please add a close button.

2. There is "Insect" tag in the Non Predator Animal. Hmmm .... aaahhh ... eerrrr ... there are small insects in almost every video?!? When should this be used?

3. Do we need a "Finish Session" button next to the "Next Video" button? If I have finished marking the current video and I want to stop viewing for the day, how do I submit the events marked without getting a new video? Kind of related question, how long before a two hour video gets reassigned to a another watcher? (I have noticed in the old interface that if I do not mark a video promptly someone else gets it and I am then the third watcher.)

4. Could the radio number be added like in the old interface? It helps to identify the nest.

Edit: with the Next Video button moved to the bottom of screen the tooltip now drops below the visible screen. It should drop up.

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Message 2334 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 3:38:42 UTC - in response to Message 2333.
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1. The ? button has no tooltip. After clicking it, the modal has no apparent way of closing! Please add a close button.


I can put an X somewhere for it. All you need to do is click somewhere or hit escape and it will disappear.

2. There is "Insect" tag in the Non Predator Animal. Hmmm .... aaahhh ... eerrrr ... there are small insects in almost every video?!? When should this be used?


That's something we need to debate about here. I was thinking it would be used if a video was crawling close to the screen. Noticeable enough to screw up any of our automated detection.

3. Do we need a "Finish Session" button next to the "Next Video" button? If I have finished marking the current video and I want to stop viewing for the day, how do I submit the events marked without getting a new video? Kind of related question, how long before a two hour video gets reassigned to a another watcher? (I have noticed in the old interface that if I do not mark a video promptly someone else gets it and I am then the third watcher.)


Events are automatically saved when you change things. So if you're done you can just close the webpage and when you come back things should be the way they were when you left off. The new interface will save your current video and all your events for each site/species combo too.

4. Could the radio number be added like in the old interface? It helps to identify the nest.


Yup, I can do that.

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Message 2342 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 7:54:53 UTC
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What is the Tag Button for ?

EDIT: Also I watched 2 Video's & marked some event's but my Event Total Didn't go Up ? Nothing much happened in either one, the bird just sat there the entire Video but I Evented it as such ...

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Message 2343 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 8:26:29 UTC - in response to Message 2342.
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What is the Tag Button for ?

EDIT: Also I watched 2 Video's & marked some event's but my Event Total Didn't go Up ? Nothing much happened in either one, the bird just sat there the entire Video but I Evented it as such ...


Your event total should go up whenever you click the new event button -- is that not working for you? The invalid/valid/missed will start going up once I get a working validator.

The tag button is to allow some optional information to be easily added - like if the sitting/standing events happen on the nest, or the type of predators and other animals that might be in the video. Tags are optional, but they'll be very useful for digging deeper into what everyones found in the video. We should be updating the instructions with descriptions for each of the tags (not all event types will have them).

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Message 2346 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 10:59:49 UTC - in response to Message 2343.
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What is the Tag Button for ?

EDIT: Also I watched 2 Video's & marked some event's but my Event Total Didn't go Up ? Nothing much happened in either one, the bird just sat there the entire Video but I Evented it as such ...


Your event total should go up whenever you click the new event button -- is that not working for you? The invalid/valid/missed will start going up once I get a working validator.


Apparently not, I'll have to do a few more to confirm that though. Like I said I did 2 Video's & had just 2 Events (Each the Bird just Sitting thru the Entire Video) but my Event Total didn't go up. Usually I've noticed when you do the Event or Mark the Event my Total went up Immediately but for those 2 Video's it didn't go up at all.

EDIT: May have found out the Problem, since a Select Event Buttont was already there I just Clicked on that & filled it in & never Clicked on the New Event Button since there was only 1 Event Per Video. I just started another Video but this Time Clicked on the New Event Button & my Event Total went up by 1 & another Select Event Line opened up too.

I do hope there's some preventive measure in place to keep people from just clicking on the New Event Button to just Drive up their Event Count ? ...

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Message 2347 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 12:21:50 UTC

Your event total should go up whenever you click the new event button -- is that not working for you?

Is this per video? Per watcher? Per site?

1. with the Next Video button moved to the bottom of screen the tooltip now drops below the visible screen and cannot be read. It should drop up.

2. When the Select Event button is clicked could the two columns be swapped and the Sitting option be moved above the Not in Video option. As these should be the two most used they need to be closest to where the mouse pointer is so we don't have to move so far. (My Rheumatoid Arthritis is bad in my wrist and hand now!)

That's something we need to debate about here. I was thinking it would be used if a video was crawling close to the screen. Noticeable enough to screw up any of our automated detection.

3. Oh yeah - Duh! I'm glad someone's thinking! There have been quite a few more radioactive spiders I haven't commented on. Small flies on hatched egg shells would not need to be marked?

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Message 2348 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 13:52:50 UTC
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I think your going to get a lot of mis-marked events, I just watched 1 Video & for the most part the bird was sitting on the nest. But in the middle of it the Bird got up & down 6-7 times in a period of 5-6 Min's. I wasn't really sure if the Bird was completely up or down the entire 5-6 Min Period because I didn't have a clear view of the Bird because it was behind some light grass so I just Marked it as a Standing Event. More than likely 4 or 5 other people to view the same video will come to a different conclusion on whether the bird was standing or still sitting those 5-6 Min's.

EDIT: JUst Marked an Event & the Clock/Timer on the Video showed a 8 Second difference than what was put in the Event Box, this will/could throw of the Validations ... ?

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Message 2349 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 18:43:14 UTC - in response to Message 2347.

Your event total should go up whenever you click the new event button -- is that not working for you?

Is this per video? Per watcher? Per site?


It's per watcher. Any time you click "new event" the total events should go up by one, and any time you click the red X to remove event, the total events should go down by one.

1. with the Next Video button moved to the bottom of screen the tooltip now drops below the visible screen and cannot be read. It should drop up.


Fixed!


2. When the Select Event button is clicked could the two columns be swapped and the Sitting option be moved above the Not in Video option. As these should be the two most used they need to be closest to where the mouse pointer is so we don't have to move so far. (My Rheumatoid Arthritis is bad in my wrist and hand now!)


I'll have to work on this. Right now the contents of the select event button are automatically populated based on a table in the database (so when the biologists change the events I don't need to recode everything). Getting them in different orders will be a little tricky to do nicely.

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Message 2350 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 18:45:14 UTC - in response to Message 2348.

I think your going to get a lot of mis-marked events, I just watched 1 Video & for the most part the bird was sitting on the nest. But in the middle of it the Bird got up & down 6-7 times in a period of 5-6 Min's. I wasn't really sure if the Bird was completely up or down the entire 5-6 Min Period because I didn't have a clear view of the Bird because it was behind some light grass so I just Marked it as a Standing Event. More than likely 4 or 5 other people to view the same video will come to a different conclusion on whether the bird was standing or still sitting those 5-6 Min's.


Yeah, it will be a bit tricky -- but I have a feeling whatever we end up with will probably still be better than dealing with all the unsure markings in the other interface.


EDIT: JUst Marked an Event & the Clock/Timer on the Video showed a 8 Second difference than what was put in the Event Box, this will/could throw of the Validations ... ?


Yeah, I noticed this problem. It looks like the time the video taxes to play is not quite the same as the time displayed in the video.

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Message 2353 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 20:14:17 UTC

I'm willing to go with whatever the Project goes with, going to have to with no other choice. But I do feel your asking a bit much with all the Different Events that we'll have to mark & some more than once in each video. The Project needs to remember we're just Volunteers & we're not working for a Degree from UND. Once the Event Marking gets to be like a Job is when some/many will just drop out.

It's one thing to let your Computer do Work Unit's while you go off & do other things, it's another thing to have to sit there & maybe Mark 10 or More Events in 1 Video if you get a very Active Bird & then wait forever to see how it turned out because nobody else will Mark exactly like you did for that Video. The Video's I've had so far haven't been to bad but I'm sure there are a lot harder ones out there ...

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Message 2354 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 21:20:25 UTC - in response to Message 2353.

Agreed. It's nice to volunteer and all, but a lot of people are simply going to lose interest, if they're going to need to be this specific about things.

I recall something being mentioned about how a lot of these observations are specific to the plovers and/or terns. Perhaps it might be a good idea to have the old and new system, but tailor them to specific species. It was implied that things like standing up are not important observations for the grouse, so perhaps keeping the current, simpler interface for the grouse might be a good idea to keep volunteers who want something easy, while allowing the more advanced interface to be used where it's needed.

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Message 2358 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 23:13:10 UTC - in response to Message 2354.

Do you think the issue is the new videos or too long, or more the sitting/standing/whatever is a bit excessive?

We did talk about that a bit at our last meeting -- if it's going to be a pain we can try and come up with something else, like maybe just in frame/out of frame and then tags for sitting/standing/walking which are optional.

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Message 2360 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 23:19:48 UTC - in response to Message 2358.

Do you think the issue is the new videos or too long, or more the sitting/standing/whatever is a bit excessive?

We did talk about that a bit at our last meeting -- if it's going to be a pain we can try and come up with something else, like maybe just in frame/out of frame and then tags for sitting/standing/walking which are optional.


The length of the Video's isn't a problem, for me at least, it's the sitting/standing/walking Event's.

like maybe just in frame/out of frame and then tags for sitting/standing/walking which are optional


That would be much better ...

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Message 2361 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 23:20:50 UTC - in response to Message 2360.

Do you think the issue is the new videos or too long, or more the sitting/standing/whatever is a bit excessive?

We did talk about that a bit at our last meeting -- if it's going to be a pain we can try and come up with something else, like maybe just in frame/out of frame and then tags for sitting/standing/walking which are optional.


The length of the Video's isn't a problem, for me at least, it's the sitting/standing/walking Event's.

like maybe just in frame/out of frame and then tags for sitting/standing/walking which are optional


That would be much better ...


Okay, I have a meeting with everyone tomorrow so we'll try and come up with a good solution for this. :)

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Message 2362 - Posted: 2 Dec 2013, 23:22:50 UTC

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Message 2368 - Posted: 3 Dec 2013, 6:48:48 UTC

Yeah, just to add another vote into the pile, I'm in agreement with STE\/E. The lengths of the videos are definitely not a problem, especially since we still have the option to define our maximum video lengths in the settings.

Personally, once the tern and plover videos come back again, I'll do my best to report the standing etc. events, but for the time being, I'm sure the grouse videos can be quite lenient with those (correct me if I'm wrong).

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Message 2371 - Posted: 3 Dec 2013, 13:53:23 UTC - in response to Message 2368.
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Personally, once the tern and plover videos come back again, I'll do my best to report the standing etc. events, but for the time being, I'm sure the grouse videos can be quite lenient with those (correct me if I'm wrong).


I'm not sure but I don't think you had started watching the Tern & Plover Video's while we still had some. Their nothing like the Grouse Video's, in many of the Tern & Plover Video's there are 2 Bird's Present at once when they do their little switch to which one is on the nest. So you'll have 2 Bird's probably with at least one of them if not both Flying/Walking/Standing/Sitting & maybe chick's present when the Parent gets off the Nest that will need Event's Marked for ??? 1 Bird or 2 Bird's ??? ... Be Careful what you wish for as the saying goes ... lol ... ;)

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