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Message 1459 - Posted: 29 Aug 2013, 21:28:07 UTC

Travis Desell wrote:

we could use some more users


Let's hear your ideas on how to get more quality volunteers involved in Wildlife@Home and discuss/comment on others' ideas.

Am I wrong in guessing that most people already involved found out about Wildlife@Home from BOINC?
Many BOINCers are looking for a project to let their computers work on, to get enough points to reach a Milestone (like 25,000 or 100,000), They are unaware of video watching and bossa credits.

1. "citizen science project" I like this statement, it makes me want to participate, it should be on the front page.

2. It seems to me that 'real life' bird watchers would be good bird video watchers. Is there a bird watching magazine that might publish an article or advertisement about Wildlife@Home? Or an online magazine, blog or forum for bird watchers that would be interested in telling their readers about Wildlife@Home?

3. If you need more watchers and you can't get them other ways you might consider this idea if it is possible to implement. Only let watchers with bossa credit crunch WUs for BOINC credit. Ethically this shouldn't be wrong because you are already limiting BOINC credit to only Linux and Mac users. (And to users with almost unlimited bandwidth usage) Some BOINCers will do a lot to get another project to 100,000.

4. Looking at hatched eggs and no birds is boring. Since grouse don't return to the nest after leaving with chicks, have someone watch for when that is per nest and don't put the video after that up for viewing. This would reduce the amount of video needing to be viewed.

5. It would be nice to have the option to watch one nest in chronological order either 3 minute or 1-4 hour videos.

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Message 1462 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 22:58:35 UTC - in response to Message 1459.

I'll add another point.:

6. 'Newbies' should be given access to 'easy' nests only. This should avoid new users being demotivated by viewing videos which would challenge even our most experienced viewers.

Determining who's a 'newbie' should be quite straightforward - it could be based on the bossa credits earned so far.
Whether a nest is 'easy' or 'difficult' could be defined by the science staff or - if they lack the time to do so - by a group of 'expert viewers' - a quality which could also be based on the amount of bossa credits earned so far.

For example I found most of the grouse nests to be quite challenging while most of the least tern and plover nests were much easier to watch and classify. It's a pity the project ran out of the least tern and plover nests at the moment. I worry that a lot of new viewers are being discouraged by the remaining grouse videos. But I'm convinced even the grouse nests could be divided into classes of 'easy to view' and 'difficult to view' videos.

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Message 1463 - Posted: 30 Aug 2013, 23:41:05 UTC - in response to Message 1462.
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That is a good idea - it would help new viewers, during the training period, to have a higher accuracy. (most of my Invalids were from learning nests and how to mark)

Would it help to need three (instead of two) agreeing before Validation?

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Message 1546 - Posted: 6 Sep 2013, 15:22:56 UTC - in response to Message 1459.

1. "citizen science project" I like this statement, it makes me want to participate, it should be on the front page.


I agree. In general, more "beauty" would be nice.

2. It seems to me that 'real life' bird watchers would be good bird video watchers. Is there a bird watching magazine that might publish an article or advertisement about Wildlife@Home? Or an online magazine, blog or forum for bird watchers that would be interested in telling their readers about Wildlife@Home?


Nice idea. But I think that is something that shouldn't be done before the project leaves its alpha-status.

3. Only let watchers with bossa credit crunch WUs for BOINC credit.


No. It is about volunteering here, not about forcing people. People shall have fun here.

4. Looking at hatched eggs and no birds is boring. Since grouse don't return to the nest after leaving with chicks, have someone watch for when that is per nest and don't put the video after that up for viewing. This would reduce the amount of video needing to be viewed.


That is something that will be done, when the algorithms get better. The algorithm will sort out the boring videos. But we have to watch more videos, so the algorithm can be fed with our "wisdom" ;-)

5. It would be nice to have the option to watch one nest in chronological order either 3 minute or 1-4 hour videos.


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Message 1580 - Posted: 10 Sep 2013, 3:20:50 UTC - in response to Message 1546.

1. "citizen science project" I like this statement, it makes me want to participate, it should be on the front page.


I agree. In general, more "beauty" would be nice.


Added citizen science right in the project description. :)

2. It seems to me that 'real life' bird watchers would be good bird video watchers. Is there a bird watching magazine that might publish an article or advertisement about Wildlife@Home? Or an online magazine, blog or forum for bird watchers that would be interested in telling their readers about Wildlife@Home?


Nice idea. But I think that is something that shouldn't be done before the project leaves its alpha-status.


We've done a couple things involving local bird watching groups to try and get some volunteers. We might have more along those lines in the upcoming year, especially now that we have NSF funding.


3. Only let watchers with bossa credit crunch WUs for BOINC credit.


No. It is about volunteering here, not about forcing people. People shall have fun here.


Yeah, we definitely won't be restricting WUs in any way like that. If things work out the way I've been thinking, we might end up having a pretty endless stream of them doing evolutionary algorithms on our computer vision techniques (reusing some of the code I've made for MilkyWay@Home).

One thing I've been thinking about is giving video watchers some kind of bonus on workunits. Something along the lines of for every hour of validated video you watch, you'll get a 5% credit bonus for the next day.


4. Looking at hatched eggs and no birds is boring. Since grouse don't return to the nest after leaving with chicks, have someone watch for when that is per nest and don't put the video after that up for viewing. This would reduce the amount of video needing to be viewed.


That is something that will be done, when the algorithms get better. The algorithm will sort out the boring videos. But we have to watch more videos, so the algorithm can be fed with our "wisdom" ;-)


Yup, one of our goals is to get the computer vision good enough so we can sift through the majority of the boring video and only should you the interesting ones. :)

5. It would be nice to have the option to watch one nest in chronological order either 3 minute or 1-4 hour videos.


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Yeah, we're working on solutions to this!

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Message 5513 - Posted: 20 Jun 2015, 8:03:20 UTC

How about banging up the credit? It has worked well at other non-CreditRandom projects. Word soon gets around.

Also, and many projects suffer from this: never run out of work. FiND@Home is running a batch of 57 million tasks with a progress bar. All you can eat!!

Run a Challenge Series like PrimeGrid. Easy enough for the WUs, but might need some creative thinking for the videos and tweets- maybe 3 consecutive Sundays or a weekend. It will bring some teams here that don't normally visit.

Support more platforms. Well, you should support Win, Linux, OSX and Android on as many sub-projects as possible.

And finally, give some thought to banging up the credit like you did on the original Wildlife project...

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Message 5520 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 5:58:26 UTC

Not dumping all the work and then going on vacation would help!
(PS Steve, you ol' points junkie - we all know the Moon Shadow woman has got you hooked)
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Message 5522 - Posted: 21 Jun 2015, 10:35:15 UTC - in response to Message 5520.
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Not dumping all the work and then going on vacation would help!


he he he

Suggestion: make a facebook page to make project known in the world !
I think video watching is also something for people who don´t crunch Boinc anyway... so they don´t know about it via Boinc.
also translate the page in more languages ! Some days ago i promote the video watching project on my FB wall... someone say: "i´m interested... but i do not understand the instructions... my English is to bad"
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Message 5833 - Posted: 1 Sep 2015, 10:05:43 UTC - in response to Message 5522.
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Not dumping all the work and then going on vacation would help!


he he he

Suggestion: make a facebook page to make project known in the world !
I think video watching is also something for people who don´t crunch Boinc anyway... so they don´t know about it via Boinc.
also translate the page in more languages ! Some days ago i promote the video watching project on my FB wall... someone say: "i´m interested... but i do not understand the instructions... my English is to bad"
;-)


We did start work on a google+ page and youtube channel! So we've been trying to get going on that. Facebook would be a good idea as well. :)

Only issue with translations is finding people who can do the translations!

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Message 6032 - Posted: 21 Dec 2015, 16:33:16 UTC - in response to Message 5513.
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Support more platforms. Well, you should support Win, Linux, OSX and Android on as many sub-projects as possible.
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On top of those, We could also try getting raspberry pi support going for those with those little boards that can. Really it would allow any arm-linux computer run the projects. We already have SS@H working, we just need to upload that to the server, and i'm working on an MPI implementation on that to try to get WU time on a machine like a pi2 down to roughly 2-3 hours instead of 8-12. The MPI implementation would be workable on any multicore computer with MPI installed on it, so this could allow for some people with large core-count processors crunch through WUs in mere minutes.

a pi runs at 1.0GHz, so if we take 8 hours as a 1.0GHz speed, then 2.0GHz would get it in 4 hours, and 3.0GHz would get a WU done in 2:40 or so. A 4GHz core would be able to get a WU done in 2 hours. If we look at a 3 GHz processor with 8 cores, if we were to push that WU across all of those 3GHz cores, we could get a really low time for the WU. Theoretically it would be about a 20 minute WU time if you were to be running at 100% or the equivalent of 8 cores at 3 GHz.

With systems with server processors with core counts exceeding 8, we could see real improvement. let's try something like say, a system with 18 cores at 2.5 GHz running 1 WU on the machine running full tilt. It would theoretically take 10 minutes 40 seconds or so to get 1 WU done.

Of course, this is assuming that the OS can stay out of the way, and that the computer is capable of running full tilt alone for a while, AND that a raspberry pi2 B board (ARM architecture) is analogous to an x86 or x86_64 architecture processor.

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Message 6034 - Posted: 25 Dec 2015, 11:40:52 UTC

#1 which makes all other ideas "nice to have"

Never run out of work

Now more than three weeks since we had any WUs, including S3 which is surely an infinite problem and could run forever uninterrupted.

Season's Greetings y'all.


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