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Message 7388 - Posted: 20 Dec 2017, 19:41:05 UTC
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It is not something that should be open to a vote. He seems to know the basic rules of BOINC. The credit here is quite obviously not in line with other projects. Sure, it is not easy to get all projects exactly matching, there are many reasons why it could never be that way, The premise within BOINC is that the projects should be ROUGHLY the same. As things are right now here, they very clearly are not.
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Message 7389 - Posted: 21 Dec 2017, 11:49:11 UTC

Dont use big words adrian ))) your voice have same weight like me..))
Credit will not and was not never in history of boinc "on same line"
Every project is different and that is great, like life on this planet))
Travis have more to important work than bashing with desilused jealousy adrian and dj ))
Dinosaur projects like seti and rosseta are not able to adapt to new times.10+years and they dont know make some easy thing like badges.. soo i dont wait much science from them..)))))

"""It is not something that should be open to a vote"" you must be "democrat" adrian ...

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Message 7390 - Posted: 21 Dec 2017, 20:57:08 UTC
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I am sorry you find my use of language inappropriate, it was the way I learnt to speak basic English 50 years ago. I know things change, certainly the education system seems to have done so.

Travis, himself, acknowledged the basic concept of rough credit equality between projects. It is so, because it gives an even playing field so all projects can run together and expect some results from their project. A project giving out excessive, what is actually a completely worthless "reward", attracts certain types of crunchers away from the other projects.

Projects certainly are different. Some work on a single problem, then finish. Others build a working infrastructure and use it to work on different project approaches, techniques, algorithms etc. over many years. Those you mention are certainly of that type. The Rosetta application running at present didn't exist when the project started, AstroPulse etc. at SETI is similar for example. You don't need to wait for science from them, they publish regularly, and move on. SkyNet has a project called "duchamp" it is still running, but they don't run duchamp anymore, What they should probably have done is called their project SkyNet then run the different algorithms as tasks under that banner. It is a little problem they created for themselves.

I don't believe it should be "democratic", (your choice of term), what I do believe is that BOINC projects should operate under the accepted terms of reference for the benefit of all projects from all researchers.
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Message 7391 - Posted: 28 Dec 2017, 15:23:44 UTC - in response to Message 7388.

It is not something that should be open to a vote. He seems to know the basic rules of BOINC. The credit here is quite obviously not in line with other projects. Sure, it is not easy to get all projects exactly matching, there are many reasons why it could never be that way, The premise within BOINC is that the projects should be ROUGHLY the same. As things are right now here, they very clearly are not.


There are MANY projects with wildly varying RAC. Some CPU projects a CPU can barely do 10k, another 100k. There is no Rule that RAC has to be equal for all projects. GPUs have an even wider distribution of RAC between projects.

Even with RAC being higher at CSG it's not even as heavily supported as some others so RAC is not having a large impact to other projects. Most people understand RAC is different between projects and run what they want no matter the points. Time to join everyone else.

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Message 7392 - Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 2:16:14 UTC

"Rule" is, perhaps, the wrong word. It is, however, not the wrong "concept" in the spirit of BOINC, a fact he has himself acknowledged. I'll be leaving when any already downloaded work units have completed, he knows why.
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Message 7393 - Posted: 31 Dec 2017, 22:57:25 UTC
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Well adrianxw, you have stirred the pot and have perhaps gotten part of what you would have liked.

A balance of project rewards went out the window when GPUs came along, then optimized applications and other things like that.

It maybe still an ideal, but is very hard to achieve.

People will still go to whatever project takes their fancy and point rewards may have nothing to do with it.

Sorry to see any volunteer leave a project as that means less work is being done unless someone takes their place.

Good luck with your other projects.

Have a good New Year and I may see you round the traps.

Happy New Year to everyone else that celebrates it at this time of year, and Travis keep up your good work as good admins are hard to find.

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Message 7394 - Posted: 3 Jan 2018, 15:40:45 UTC

Not really, the credit here is vast compared to other projects. I can see that by the RAC showing in BOINC Manager. He knows it is excessive. I have removed his project from my list.

With regard to GPU's, they have large numbers of processors, they are not the same as CPU's but they can number crunch. When you have a large, sometimes very large number of processors running, it is pretty obvious that they will run through a lot of jobs in the same time as a single processor core can do. They produce more results, they get more credit. To a somewhat lesser extent, an optimised program will do more than a stock code which has been written to be general and thus, widely distributable. It gets through more work in the same time. I agree that trying to equalize credit across all projects is difficult, but feel that the extremes I see here are counter productive.

Good luck and happy new year to you and to all.
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