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Message 6933 - Posted: 20 Apr 2017, 23:17:47 UTC

So I had a couple ideas about the monster workunits. For those of you who are having them, are you running other workunits at the same time? Could you let me know the memory usage of those workunits? Does their performance improve if you only run one EXACT workunit at a time?

What I'm thinking may be happening is that the larger workunits require more memory, and if there are enough other workunits (especially other large EXACT workunits) running at the same time things may end up paging to disk because of memory requirements.

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Message 6934 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 0:17:35 UTC - in response to Message 6933.
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I started CSG on my 2p 2670 on the 18th as my non-dedicated system for daily use couldn't run these WUs part time. Starting on the 18th the WUs were 6-7 hours now they are are over 12 hours reaching to above 1 day. There is no commonality to the WU size number.

All have the same 433-436mb memory size in Linux. Windows is all the same at 435-438mb

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Message 6937 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 5:01:41 UTC - in response to Message 6933.

For me its no different if i run on 1 or all (4) .. Have a w10 amd10 cpu and 16GB ram. When i delete the wu i have over 20 days OVER the 7 days thats are counting.. I have delete 10-15 wu i think.

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Message 6941 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 19:31:34 UTC - in response to Message 6934.

I started CSG on my 2p 2670 on the 18th as my non-dedicated system for daily use couldn't run these WUs part time. Starting on the 18th the WUs were 6-7 hours now they are are over 12 hours reaching to above 1 day. There is no commonality to the WU size number.

All have the same 433-436mb memory size in Linux. Windows is all the same at 435-438mb


Yes, this is expected. The WUs will be different sizes due to the algorithm we're using. But it seems like some are in line with credit awarded on some systems, and sometimes we're seeing WUs be significantly slower than they should be and I'm trying to find the issue so I can recreate and fix it...

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Message 6942 - Posted: 21 Apr 2017, 21:06:06 UTC

For one task running on Computer ID: 6391 (an AMD A8-3850 running Win 7)

From BoincTasks:
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At Elapsed Progress Time Left CPU% Status
4/17/2017 11:14:35 15.89 28:43:47 99.52 Running High P.
4/21/2017 106:13:35 92.05 9:10:14 98.82 Running High P.


From TaskInfo:

InMem KB (more or less the same as working set) = 446,580 MB
The is fairly consistent across all tasks for their duration
Free Ph KB 1,799,940
Page Faults/s 1,687
Page Ins KB/s 0
Page Outs KB/s 69

The free memory, paging information, and CPU% above indicate page thrashing is not occurring.

The large increase in elapsed time happens more or less consistently on this machine and a Q6600, but not on i5-4750, i7 3770, or AMD FX(tm)-6100 - all Win 7

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Message 6956 - Posted: 26 Apr 2017, 17:48:54 UTC - in response to Message 6942.

Guh. Talk about a crazy bug. The wild thing is that the results are coming back the exact same as the faster running WUs -- so they're all doing the same computation.

I have an updated version of the application I'll be releasing this weekend which changes the memory layout a bit. I'm hoping this will improve the situation (it should be better at keeping things in lower levels of cache).

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Message 6961 - Posted: 27 Apr 2017, 16:12:33 UTC

4 of 4 wu run over time .. by 9 days.... so no more work from them....

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Message 6962 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 0:50:28 UTC - in response to Message 6961.

4 of 4 wu run over time .. by 9 days.... so no more work from them....


I have one that has been running 9 days already and still needs another 9 days, I am not sure I will get credit for it, but it deserves over 20,000 points just for the long run time.

The main problem work units I had were the number "5" types, I had more of them than any other type run long times on any of the computers I run. Number "6" came second.

My longest so far has been over 282 hours or 1,000,000 seconds (got 9cr/h)

Credit on these long ones has been from 9 to 48 cr/h
The shorter ones (those under 80-100,000 seconds) gave from 150 to 310 cr/h.

So credit wise myself and all others running the long ones, have missed out on a lot of credits.

If it is a memory cache issue then it is random as the same computer can get both long and short running work units, it does not stick to any one computer or OS.

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Message 6963 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 0:57:20 UTC - in response to Message 6962.

If it is a memory cache issue then it is random as the same computer can get both long and short running work units, it does not stick to any one computer or OS.


Well the issue here is that the WUs being generated are of different structures, so I think once they reach a certain size on some processors they'll turn into "monsters". Not all of the WUs generated are of that large size so that's why it would not happen on some.

Would you say you've seen progressively more "monsters" the longer a particular search has been active?

At any rate I'm really hoping the new app I released today will help with both the monster issue and credit/deadline issue.

Tonight/this weekend the plan is to see if I can figure out a way to retroactively award credit to the "monsters" that either didn't get credit for being too late, or got a low amount of credit after validation.

After that I should finally be able to start on the OpenCL version so we can start throwing GPUs at this thing.

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Message 6964 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 1:20:09 UTC - in response to Message 6963.

Thanks for the quick reply Travis.

I did seem to be getting more of the longer ones the longer I ran the project, you will see that in my task list, but I have been getting them all month so I may of been getting more of the re-sends as people dumped the long runners.

Good to hear about the credit.

The new app seems to be very much quicker than the old one with run times of under 4 hours so far.

Have to vote you the number one project admin, for letting us know what is happening and also interacting with the volunteers, thank you.

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Message 6965 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 4:23:35 UTC
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i can take long wu but if the credit is same as benefit and u dont get any credits after 8-25 days, then i lose the enjoy for it..This week there were no credit
Ill be back next week and try again.
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Message 6966 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 6:33:43 UTC

testing the new Batch .. time limit 1-2 houer after i got them?? ok just for test.. work time from 45 minuts till 3 houers.. ill be back with new replay after work.. (in 6 houers)

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Message 6967 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 11:26:35 UTC - in response to Message 6966.
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Update: it take longer time ..2700 cpu sec runaway to 8700 cpu sec 69 cred
another : 2700 go to 14000 and 100 cred..... 45 minuts run to 4 houers...
and next :7500 landing 9500 but take over 6 houer to compleat (21600 sec) .. 150 cred

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Message 6974 - Posted: 28 Apr 2017, 15:01:21 UTC - in response to Message 6967.

Update: it take longer time ..2700 cpu sec runaway to 8700 cpu sec 69 cred
another : 2700 go to 14000 and 100 cred..... 45 minuts run to 4 houers...
and next :7500 landing 9500 but take over 6 houer to compleat (21600 sec) .. 150 cred


In light of this I've bumped up the credit by a factor of 3 and the deadlines by a factor of 5. Hoping this makes it a little better, especially as the workunits get progressively larger.

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Message 6981 - Posted: 29 Apr 2017, 23:15:27 UTC - in response to Message 6962.
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4 of 4 wu run over time .. by 9 days.... so no more work from them....


I have one that has been running 9 days already and still needs another 9 days, I am not sure I will get credit for it, but it deserves over 20,000 points just for the long run time.

The main problem work units I had were the number "5" types, I had more of them than any other type run long times on any of the computers I run. Number "6" came second.

My longest so far has been over 282 hours or 1,000,000 seconds (got 9cr/h)

Credit on these long ones has been from 9 to 48 cr/h
The shorter ones (those under 80-100,000 seconds) gave from 150 to 310 cr/h.

So credit wise myself and all others running the long ones, have missed out on a lot of credits.

If it is a memory cache issue then it is random as the same computer can get both long and short running work units, it does not stick to any one computer or OS.

Conan


The last check I did on my monster unit exact_genome_1491416078_5_9102_3 only one result had been returned so I thought I was still a goer with this one.
It was sent out on the 18th with a due date of the 25/4/17.
I have been processing it non-stop for the last 10 days 19 hours so far and it still has 8 days 15 hours to go, it has completed 55.629%.

On checking my account this morning I notice that this work unit is no longer listed and has been removed from my list. What happened to the extra time a work unit would hang around after the quorum had been met, only one had been returned.

I am still processing this work unit and have put a lot of time into it.
BOINC Manager under properties says this work unit is processing at 0.360% per hour, so I still have a long way to go.

Wondering what has happened?

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Message 6982 - Posted: 30 Apr 2017, 3:30:33 UTC - in response to Message 6981.

4 of 4 wu run over time .. by 9 days.... so no more work from them....


I have one that has been running 9 days already and still needs another 9 days, I am not sure I will get credit for it, but it deserves over 20,000 points just for the long run time.

The main problem work units I had were the number "5" types, I had more of them than any other type run long times on any of the computers I run. Number "6" came second.

My longest so far has been over 282 hours or 1,000,000 seconds (got 9cr/h)

Credit on these long ones has been from 9 to 48 cr/h
The shorter ones (those under 80-100,000 seconds) gave from 150 to 310 cr/h.

So credit wise myself and all others running the long ones, have missed out on a lot of credits.

If it is a memory cache issue then it is random as the same computer can get both long and short running work units, it does not stick to any one computer or OS.

Conan


The last check I did on my monster unit exact_genome_1491416078_5_9102_3 only one result had been returned so I thought I was still a goer with this one.
It was sent out on the 18th with a due date of the 25/4/17.
I have been processing it non-stop for the last 10 days 19 hours so far and it still has 8 days 15 hours to go, it has completed 55.629%.

On checking my account this morning I notice that this work unit is no longer listed and has been removed from my list. What happened to the extra time a work unit would hang around after the quorum had been met, only one had been returned.

I am still processing this work unit and have put a lot of time into it.
BOINC Manager under properties says this work unit is processing at 0.360% per hour, so I still have a long way to go.

Wondering what has happened?

Conan

Forgot the host number which is 46193 (Xeon)

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Message 6983 - Posted: 30 Apr 2017, 17:06:46 UTC - in response to Message 6982.

4 of 4 wu run over time .. by 9 days.... so no more work from them....


I have one that has been running 9 days already and still needs another 9 days, I am not sure I will get credit for it, but it deserves over 20,000 points just for the long run time.

The main problem work units I had were the number "5" types, I had more of them than any other type run long times on any of the computers I run. Number "6" came second.

My longest so far has been over 282 hours or 1,000,000 seconds (got 9cr/h)

Credit on these long ones has been from 9 to 48 cr/h
The shorter ones (those under 80-100,000 seconds) gave from 150 to 310 cr/h.

So credit wise myself and all others running the long ones, have missed out on a lot of credits.

If it is a memory cache issue then it is random as the same computer can get both long and short running work units, it does not stick to any one computer or OS.

Conan


The last check I did on my monster unit exact_genome_1491416078_5_9102_3 only one result had been returned so I thought I was still a goer with this one.
It was sent out on the 18th with a due date of the 25/4/17.
I have been processing it non-stop for the last 10 days 19 hours so far and it still has 8 days 15 hours to go, it has completed 55.629%.

On checking my account this morning I notice that this work unit is no longer listed and has been removed from my list. What happened to the extra time a work unit would hang around after the quorum had been met, only one had been returned.

I am still processing this work unit and have put a lot of time into it.
BOINC Manager under properties says this work unit is processing at 0.360% per hour, so I still have a long way to go.

Wondering what has happened?

Conan

Forgot the host number which is 46193 (Xeon)

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There *should* be a 4 day delay after WU validation to prevent it from being deleted so late results are still awarded credit. Was this sent in over 4 days past the deadline?

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Message 6984 - Posted: 30 Apr 2017, 22:45:30 UTC - in response to Message 6983.

4 of 4 wu run over time .. by 9 days.... so no more work from them....


I have one that has been running 9 days already and still needs another 9 days, I am not sure I will get credit for it, but it deserves over 20,000 points just for the long run time.

The main problem work units I had were the number "5" types, I had more of them than any other type run long times on any of the computers I run. Number "6" came second.

My longest so far has been over 282 hours or 1,000,000 seconds (got 9cr/h)

Credit on these long ones has been from 9 to 48 cr/h
The shorter ones (those under 80-100,000 seconds) gave from 150 to 310 cr/h.

So credit wise myself and all others running the long ones, have missed out on a lot of credits.

If it is a memory cache issue then it is random as the same computer can get both long and short running work units, it does not stick to any one computer or OS.

Conan


The last check I did on my monster unit exact_genome_1491416078_5_9102_3 only one result had been returned so I thought I was still a goer with this one.
It was sent out on the 18th with a due date of the 25/4/17.
I have been processing it non-stop for the last 10 days 19 hours so far and it still has 8 days 15 hours to go, it has completed 55.629%.

On checking my account this morning I notice that this work unit is no longer listed and has been removed from my list. What happened to the extra time a work unit would hang around after the quorum had been met, only one had been returned.

I am still processing this work unit and have put a lot of time into it.
BOINC Manager under properties says this work unit is processing at 0.360% per hour, so I still have a long way to go.

Wondering what has happened?

Conan

Forgot the host number which is 46193 (Xeon)

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There *should* be a 4 day delay after WU validation to prevent it from being deleted so late results are still awarded credit. Was this sent in over 4 days past the deadline?

G'Day Travis,
No this has not been sent in yet, I am still processing this WU on my computer as of this minute, 58.94% complete, 11 days 16 hours run time, 8 days 3 hours still to go.

There had been only one other reported result the last time I checked a few days ago, so I was still aiming to be the second returned result.

But now I can not find this WU anywhere in my account, just on my computer.

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Message 6986 - Posted: 1 May 2017, 2:14:47 UTC - in response to Message 6984.

4 of 4 wu run over time .. by 9 days.... so no more work from them....


I have one that has been running 9 days already and still needs another 9 days, I am not sure I will get credit for it, but it deserves over 20,000 points just for the long run time.

The main problem work units I had were the number "5" types, I had more of them than any other type run long times on any of the computers I run. Number "6" came second.

My longest so far has been over 282 hours or 1,000,000 seconds (got 9cr/h)

Credit on these long ones has been from 9 to 48 cr/h
The shorter ones (those under 80-100,000 seconds) gave from 150 to 310 cr/h.

So credit wise myself and all others running the long ones, have missed out on a lot of credits.

If it is a memory cache issue then it is random as the same computer can get both long and short running work units, it does not stick to any one computer or OS.

Conan


The last check I did on my monster unit exact_genome_1491416078_5_9102_3 only one result had been returned so I thought I was still a goer with this one.
It was sent out on the 18th with a due date of the 25/4/17.
I have been processing it non-stop for the last 10 days 19 hours so far and it still has 8 days 15 hours to go, it has completed 55.629%.

On checking my account this morning I notice that this work unit is no longer listed and has been removed from my list. What happened to the extra time a work unit would hang around after the quorum had been met, only one had been returned.

I am still processing this work unit and have put a lot of time into it.
BOINC Manager under properties says this work unit is processing at 0.360% per hour, so I still have a long way to go.

Wondering what has happened?

Conan

Forgot the host number which is 46193 (Xeon)

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There *should* be a 4 day delay after WU validation to prevent it from being deleted so late results are still awarded credit. Was this sent in over 4 days past the deadline?

G'Day Travis,
No this has not been sent in yet, I am still processing this WU on my computer as of this minute, 58.94% complete, 11 days 16 hours run time, 8 days 3 hours still to go.

There had been only one other reported result the last time I checked a few days ago, so I was still aiming to be the second returned result.

But now I can not find this WU anywhere in my account, just on my computer.

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Yuck, what may have happened was that wingmen already finished it up and the workunit got validated and then deleted -- especially if you've been working on it for that long. I have things set to keep WUs alive for quite awhile though...

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4 of 4 wu run over time .. by 9 days.... so no more work from them....


I have one that has been running 9 days already and still needs another 9 days, I am not sure I will get credit for it, but it deserves over 20,000 points just for the long run time.

The main problem work units I had were the number "5" types, I had more of them than any other type run long times on any of the computers I run. Number "6" came second.

My longest so far has been over 282 hours or 1,000,000 seconds (got 9cr/h)

Credit on these long ones has been from 9 to 48 cr/h
The shorter ones (those under 80-100,000 seconds) gave from 150 to 310 cr/h.

So credit wise myself and all others running the long ones, have missed out on a lot of credits.

If it is a memory cache issue then it is random as the same computer can get both long and short running work units, it does not stick to any one computer or OS.

Conan


The last check I did on my monster unit exact_genome_1491416078_5_9102_3 only one result had been returned so I thought I was still a goer with this one.
It was sent out on the 18th with a due date of the 25/4/17.
I have been processing it non-stop for the last 10 days 19 hours so far and it still has 8 days 15 hours to go, it has completed 55.629%.

On checking my account this morning I notice that this work unit is no longer listed and has been removed from my list. What happened to the extra time a work unit would hang around after the quorum had been met, only one had been returned.

I am still processing this work unit and have put a lot of time into it.
BOINC Manager under properties says this work unit is processing at 0.360% per hour, so I still have a long way to go.

Wondering what has happened?

Conan

Forgot the host number which is 46193 (Xeon)

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There *should* be a 4 day delay after WU validation to prevent it from being deleted so late results are still awarded credit. Was this sent in over 4 days past the deadline?

G'Day Travis,
No this has not been sent in yet, I am still processing this WU on my computer as of this minute, 58.94% complete, 11 days 16 hours run time, 8 days 3 hours still to go.

There had been only one other reported result the last time I checked a few days ago, so I was still aiming to be the second returned result.

But now I can not find this WU anywhere in my account, just on my computer.

Conan



Yuck, what may have happened was that wingmen already finished it up and the workunit got validated and then deleted -- especially if you've been working on it for that long. I have things set to keep WUs alive for quite awhile though...


It just seems strange, as I returned another that ran for almost 12 days and it is still on my account, I returned that a few days ago.

These have been the longest any of these WUs have run and this lost one is the biggest of all.

So other than the obvious and just abort almost 12 days of computing and get nothing for it, what other possibilities do I have?
I would rather not lose all this computing time (over 280 hours so far and 187 hours to go), it would leave a bad taste in the mouth.
I have a feeling I might know your answer already, but as an active WU on my computer that is still processing data, I feel it should get something.
I know when it gets returned that it will disappear due to the WU not existing and so I wont even know what it's finale run time will be, but that is over 7 days away.

Anyway I will await your answer and rue my potential looming loss. I have been around BOINC long enough to know how it does not really care about lost work even when BOINC is the thing stuffing things up, leaving the Admin to care but be limited in what they can do.

Conan
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