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Message 5398 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 6:37:37 UTC
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How much users do still watch videos here?
After a long time i dared to watch one of the plover videos now (about 50 minutes, was somehow easy) and did an accurate note of every event I saw. I was somehow shocked as I saw how my wingmen did mark the video - way less events and relatively inaccurate... It can be that I made it not correct because I'm not familiar with the new interface but as far as I understand it I did not made much mistakes.
(video I refer to is this here: http://csgrid.org/csg/wildlife/review_videos.php#collapse_14748)
Edit: ok, watched the tutorials and I was indeed right. Some users here really should watch them before watching any video. Wingmen of the second one were better now. ;-)

Nevertheless, after I finished the video and the comparison page was clicked away, there happens nothing and the video remained. Did I miss the "Next"-button or is there really none? Would like to see one...
Also, would it be possible to make a "Rewind"-button for the videos? Jumping with the bar can be very inaccurate when over an hour is covered with it.
Edit: ok, I now found the "Next" and "Random" button in the comparison page, overlooked it the first time. But it's easy to click the window away and then there happens nothing...
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Message 5399 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 7:49:57 UTC

Too late to edit again... ;-)

On another sidenote, I just found out that the watched seconds are not updating anymore when finishing a video. Does the watched time not count anymore? That's bad...
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Message 5400 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 10:57:28 UTC - in response to Message 5399.


On another sidenote, I just found out that the watched seconds are not updating anymore when finishing a video. Does the watched time not count anymore?

The time watched in seconds updates as events are validated. Same as before when time watched was added for validated video segments.
The validation process can be quite slow, especially when there are inconclusive or reported events to be reviewed.

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Message 5402 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 14:38:37 UTC - in response to Message 5400.


On another sidenote, I just found out that the watched seconds are not updating anymore when finishing a video. Does the watched time not count anymore?

The time watched in seconds updates as events are validated. Same as before when time watched was added for validated video segments.
The validation process can be quite slow, especially when there are inconclusive or reported events to be reviewed.


Yeah, we need more people watching videos to speed things up. I should look into 'more immediate' ways of granting credit. Maybe we could grant on a trial basis and remove if things are found to be invalid...

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Message 5403 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 14:39:27 UTC - in response to Message 5402.

I could add in "total events" and "total seconds watched" to the top lists (right now they're only showing valid ones). That would probably help too right?

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Message 5411 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 16:04:34 UTC - in response to Message 5403.

I could add in "total events" and "total seconds watched" to the top lists (right now they're only showing valid ones). That would probably help too right?


Just my own opinion:
1. Validated seconds watched numbers are so big as to be unmanageable, adding another layer to that seems unnecessary.
Perhaps "Total Hours Watched" would be a more useful number. (Personally, I would like to see Total Hours replace the seconds altogether.)
2. A Total Events column or additional number would show the validation progress or percentage at a glance and give the user a clue of what to look into regarding invalid, missing, or not yet validated events. The same info and much more can be seen by looking through your watched videos, so I don't really see a driving need.
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Message 5412 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 16:25:50 UTC - in response to Message 5400.
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The time watched in seconds updates as events are validated.
...
The validation process can be quite slow, especially when there are inconclusive or reported events to be reviewed.

Ah, crap, I forgot about that... it's some time that I watched videos here. ;-)

Edit:
Bringing one of the question again because it wasn't answered yet:
Also, would it be possible to make a "Rewind"-button for the videos? Jumping with the bar can be very inaccurate when over an hour is covered with it.

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Message 5416 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 19:23:31 UTC - in response to Message 5412.

The time watched in seconds updates as events are validated.
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The validation process can be quite slow, especially when there are inconclusive or reported events to be reviewed.

Ah, crap, I forgot about that... it's some time that I watched videos here. ;-)

Edit:
Bringing one of the question again because it wasn't answered yet:
Also, would it be possible to make a "Rewind"-button for the videos? Jumping with the bar can be very inaccurate when over an hour is covered with it.


The backward button should rewind. Unfortunately I don't think this works in some browsers. It's not something I particularly have control over, it's up to how the web browsers implement HTML5 video. I'd try things with a different browser, as I know some of them do have rewind.

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Message 5417 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 19:39:13 UTC - in response to Message 5416.

The backward button should rewind. Unfortunately I don't think this works in some browsers.

Hm, I see - I have two in which it doesn't work how it probably should.
In FF both buttons work as speed accelerator, but not to rewind it.
And in IE 9, which I still have (10 isn't installable on my host), both buttons don't work at all...
Maybe I give some other browsers a try (Opera etc.) when I feel like it, will see. ;-)
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Message 5418 - Posted: 5 Jun 2015, 19:56:05 UTC - in response to Message 5417.

The backward button should rewind. Unfortunately I don't think this works in some browsers.

Hm, I see - I have two in which it doesn't work how it probably should.
In FF both buttons work as speed accelerator, but not to rewind it.
And in IE 9, which I still have (10 isn't installable on my host), both buttons don't work at all...
Maybe I give some other browsers a try (Opera etc.) when I feel like it, will see. ;-)


So I just tested it on my mac, and rewinding worked on Safari and Firefox. I just kept clicking the rewind button until it went negative. It didn't work on Chrome.

Maybe update your web browsers if you haven't yet?

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Message 5428 - Posted: 6 Jun 2015, 6:03:37 UTC - in response to Message 5418.

Maybe update your web browsers if you haven't yet?

Well, my Firefox is up-to-date (version 38.0.5), addons/plugins also.
Don't know why it doesn't work then but since it's only a minor issue anyway I'm not having much of a headache because of not rewinding the videos. ;-)

I will probably watch some more videos now and in the near future, I'm getting familiar with that interface and I actually have a bit more time to spend than usual. ;-)
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Message 5434 - Posted: 7 Jun 2015, 0:33:45 UTC - in response to Message 5428.

Maybe update your web browsers if you haven't yet?

Well, my Firefox is up-to-date (version 38.0.5), addons/plugins also.
Don't know why it doesn't work then but since it's only a minor issue anyway I'm not having much of a headache because of not rewinding the videos. ;-)

I will probably watch some more videos now and in the near future, I'm getting familiar with that interface and I actually have a bit more time to spend than usual. ;-)


Well the reason it isn't working is that the different browsers haven't fully implemented the HTML5 video specs yet, or are implementing them differently. Unfortunately that's something pretty far out of my control. :(


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