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Message 552 - Posted: 27 Jun 2013, 15:45:38 UTC - in response to Message 548.

my choice would be version 2 - and I think it would/could be a badge for the normal credit system. I then would make it in different colours.


My opinion, too. The idea with the feathers seems to be good as well.

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Message 553 - Posted: 27 Jun 2013, 15:52:43 UTC - in response to Message 548.


Lemon, how about your pic? Can you make that for the Bossa credits?



I can make a wide variety of such pics, if you'd like. I was thinking of various styles - grouse, tern, piper - profile, flying, nest, etc.

What size should they be? Small like 36x36? Or is something larger appropriate (such as the GPUGrid badges)?

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Message 554 - Posted: 27 Jun 2013, 16:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 553.
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I can make a wide variety of such pics, if you'd like. I was thinking of various styles - grouse, tern, piper - profile, flying, nest, etc.

Yes, would like to see some. But more than two/three styles are probably a bit much. GPUGrid has a strange sort of badges - I don't know how you guys are thinking about that but it confuses me a bit to have so much different shapes.

What size should they be? Small like 36x36? Or is something larger appropriate (such as the GPUGrid badges)?

Hm, good question.
When we are using that for the Bossas there is probably no limit. But too big wouldn't be that good I think. 36x36 should be okay I think.
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Message 555 - Posted: 27 Jun 2013, 17:01:31 UTC - in response to Message 554.

So perhaps one badge pic for each viewing area (grouse, tern, piper) and then use coloration to denote the quantity of the badge (such as 1 hour of viewing = grey, 10 hours = yellow, 25 hours = blue)?

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Message 556 - Posted: 27 Jun 2013, 17:32:47 UTC - in response to Message 555.

I dont know if there will be in future only three viewing areas. Maybe there will be more change? Travis will know it.

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Message 557 - Posted: 27 Jun 2013, 17:49:39 UTC - in response to Message 556.

Well, what do you all think? A different type of badge for each viewing area (adding them as the need arises)? Or just a variety of badges to indicate total viewing time(regardless of viewing area)?

Are there any other badges (for Bossa) besides those for Viewing Time?

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Message 558 - Posted: 27 Jun 2013, 17:56:22 UTC - in response to Message 555.
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So perhaps one badge pic for each viewing area (grouse, tern, piper) and then use coloration to denote the quantity of the badge (such as 1 hour of viewing = grey, 10 hours = yellow, 25 hours = blue)?

Ah no, that won't work, since the bossa credits are not separated. You have to go for credit levels (10.000, 100.000, 1 million etc) as I will do. But you can vary the badges in the upper levels with other symbols and colours, this is up to you.
Since this could be a longlife project I'm going to use the (now widely open) PrimeGrid scheme as a template and will adjust it a little - you can do as well if you want.
I probably won't have much time the following days so it could take a while until I finished the badges with the levels.
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Message 560 - Posted: 30 Jun 2013, 16:04:06 UTC

Nothing new else yet?
Well, took a while, but here are my badges and the rankings now:

- Bronze 10k
- Silver 100k
- Gold 500k
- Amethyst 1 M
- Ruby 2 M
- Turquoise 5 M
- Saph 10 M
- Jade 20 M
- Emerald 50 M

For a better flow of colours I changed the Jade and Saphire ones, I think this looks better. ;-)
I'm planning to do more but then I will change the circle into something else.
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Message 563 - Posted: 1 Jul 2013, 14:52:53 UTC - in response to Message 560.

No commentaries yet? I'm a bit surprised.

I'm planning to do more but then I will change the circle into something else.

Well, I thought about it again, 50 M should be enough for the time being. Actually the best user hasn't even crunched a million. ;-)
Since Lemon hasn't posted something yet for the bossas I grabbed the idea of Steve's feathers and - in the assumption he can't do it himself - gave it a form myself:

What are you guys thinking about it? Silver is only roughly made now, if you think this could be worth making it I will do better ones.
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Message 564 - Posted: 1 Jul 2013, 17:09:14 UTC - in response to Message 563.

I like them. For the 10M+ tiers, I would prefer a combination of two colours, like blue on the top of the circle, and red on the bottom. This would also let you take out one of each of the pairs (Amethyst/Ruby, etc.) that are similar.

For the BOSSA credit, Moore's law doesn't apply to human computation, so I've been toying with the idea of the high end tiers being spaced linearly, or squared distance, instead of exponential like BOINC credit badges.

Linear scaling could result in more badges to make with less obvious distinction between them, though.

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Message 565 - Posted: 1 Jul 2013, 18:39:55 UTC - in response to Message 564.

I would prefer a combination of two colours, like blue on the top of the circle, and red on the bottom. This would also let you take out one of each of the pairs (Amethyst/Ruby, etc.) that are similar.

Well, two different colours in this (rather small) circle doesn't look good, believe me. I just tried it...
Just in case, I developed something which I would want to use beyond the 50M mark in different colour varieties:

As you can see, I changed the symbol in the middle now - just to make it a bit more different.

Linear scaling could result in more badges to make with less obvious distinction between them, though.

I think, that wouldn't be a big problem, since we could use a lot of feather forms here.
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Message 566 - Posted: 1 Jul 2013, 20:01:25 UTC - in response to Message 565.

I'll believe you on the bi-colour badges. I also didn't consider that they may end up being miniaturized further in signatures, which would only make the problem worse.

As for the octagon and alternate bird for high level crunching: I'm a fan.

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Message 567 - Posted: 1 Jul 2013, 20:20:44 UTC - in response to Message 563.
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No commentaries yet? I'm a bit surprised.

I'm planning to do more but then I will change the circle into something else.

Well, I thought about it again, 50 M should be enough for the time being. Actually the best user hasn't even crunched a million. ;-)
Since Lemon hasn't posted something yet for the bossas I grabbed the idea of Steve's feathers and - in the assumption he can't do it himself - gave it a form myself:

What are you guys thinking about it? Silver is only roughly made now, if you think this could be worth making it I will do better ones.


I'm good with whatever you come up with, but I'm confused about this Bossa/Bossa credit, what is it & how do you know how much you have ??? I also think the Octagon looks better than the plain circle ...
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Message 568 - Posted: 2 Jul 2013, 0:15:42 UTC - in response to Message 563.
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Since Lemon hasn't posted something yet for the bossas I grabbed the idea of Steve's feathers and - in the assumption he can't do it himself - gave it a form myself:

What are you guys thinking about it? Silver is only roughly made now, if you think this could be worth making it I will do better ones.


Sorry, I've been rather busy the past few days. I could put up what I already posted in a variety of colors, or you could go with the feathers. Either way is fine with me.

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Message 569 - Posted: 2 Jul 2013, 0:20:02 UTC - in response to Message 568.

Now that I look at them together, I'd vote for the feathers.

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Message 570 - Posted: 2 Jul 2013, 6:27:22 UTC - in response to Message 567.
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but I'm confused about this Bossa/Bossa credit, what is it & how do you know how much you have ???

Can it be that you don't know anything of this project yet?
Then have a look here and here - both reachable from the black menu at the top of the main page.
The main goal of this project is to watch videos how birds are behaving in the wildlife, and for watching videos you get bossa credits.
This is a project intern statistic and won't get to statistic sites like the MCPLOT stuff over at LHC T4T. That said, it won't be necessary to have badges for it like for the normal credits, but well - if we are at it. ;-)

Lemon wrote:

This looks indeed a little strange (not to say unusable). ;-)
Can you try to make a (black) silhouette out of the original? It could look better maybe.

Jack Davis, your idea of bi-colour badges isn't that bad. I tried to combine the same colours adjusted to the shape of the bird (since I found a normal horizontal change looks awful) and this is what I got out of it:

Doesn't look that bad, but probably isn't a very good choice.
When the upper colours would be combined (also in the octagonal ones), my rank list would reach 500M, a lot less than on PrimeGrid, but it also would be enough for a while here. ;-)
I will finish the octagonal ones and the feathers over the day when I have enough time.
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Message 571 - Posted: 2 Jul 2013, 11:08:09 UTC
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Can it be that you don't know anything of this project yet?


Who say's you need to know anything about a Project to run it ...

I run all the Projects & don't have a clue what most are for, I guess I'm an Equal Opportunity Cruncher. If more people took that approach it would benefit the whole of BOINC IMO instead of worrying about which Project gives the greatest Credit or taking the Holier Than Thou Attitude of I only Crunch for the Science.

I Crunch for the Credits & the Science, I knew what the BOSSA Credits were, just didn't bother to check around the Front Page to find the Credit List. Obviously some people have no Lives with the amount of Bossa Credits they've piled up already or they've found a way to fool the system.

Another thing about the BOSSA Credits, just because my observations don't match somebody else's I get nothing, who's to say their right & I'm wrong. I seen one Video there was an egg in it so I selected a successful Nesting, wrong answer & no Credit ...
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Message 572 - Posted: 2 Jul 2013, 13:38:53 UTC - in response to Message 571.

LOL, this shouldn't become a discussion about BOINC philosophy so I'm not answering to all of your points, though I find your point(s) interesting (and a bit amusing, but also a bit contrary). ;-)
As far as I'm concerned, I watched videos in my free time since the project started (which is already a half year now), and since I'm a hobby ornithologist this project interested me a lot.

Another thing about the BOSSA Credits, just because my observations don't match somebody else's I get nothing, who's to say their right & I'm wrong. I seen one Video there was an egg in it so I selected a successful Nesting, wrong answer & no Credit ...

Well, it's a bit hard in the first time for beginners (that's why there are also tutorials) and it can be frustrating when you get no credit for your view, but there are descriptions now when and why you have to choose an option. When there is an egg this doesn't mean automatically that this is nest success (because chicks have to hatch at this time!). With time, you get experience when and what to choose and then it can make a lot of fun (especially when there are some things happening in the videos).

Back to the badges, here are the octagonal ones now:
- Doube Bronze 100 M
- Doube Silver 200 M
- Doube Gold 500 M
- Doube Amethyst 1 B
- Doube Ruby 2 B
- Doube Turquoise 5 B
- Doube Saphire 10 B
- Doube Jade 20 B
- Doube Emerald 50 B

Whoever thinks this could be way too far (like on PrimeGrid) I will try the combined colours later when I'm home.
Feathers will come tomorrow, I don't find enough time for today.
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Message 573 - Posted: 5 Jul 2013, 12:19:28 UTC - in response to Message 572.

Sorry guys, didn't have enough time the last days.
I've now created the doubled coloured badges, the list would then look like this:
- Bronze 10k
- Silver 100k
- Gold 500k
- Amethyst/Ruby 1M
- Saphire/Turquoise 2M
- Jade/Emerald 5M
- Double Bronze 10 M
- Double Silver 20 M
- Double Gold 50 M
- Double Amethyst/Ruby 100M
- Double Saphire/Turquoise 200M
- Double Jade/Emerald 500M

What do you think looks better? The normal version or the double coloured?

(PS: feathers will come over the weekend ;-))

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Message 574 - Posted: 6 Jul 2013, 11:04:47 UTC

The Doubled Colored ones look better to me ...
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